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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Oct 31, 2002 8:29:10 GMT -5
Hello All ,
Its a bit quite at the moment is here is a question : What do you do with a pup , how did or do you raise it , do you take it to a mall or inside your car , so the pup knows about all of the important issues in life ??
john
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Post by Erin on Nov 1, 2002 5:02:51 GMT -5
Hai,
Hope there come a lot of answers on this question..like to learn a lot about raising puppy's and what to teach them. What I like to know is where to begin whit..after you have them and how early you can start training in a puppy class or something like that.
Greethings Erin...
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Nov 1, 2002 10:43:32 GMT -5
Hello Erin
I think and believe that socialisation is the most important thing we will have to teach them . Of course this will start with the breeder , the pups all together can be little monsters , biting and fighting all day long ..but that is natural behaviour ..they from a young age up are already busy with the ranking within the group. As soon as you got a pup from a litter , you will be the one teaching your pup what you do and more important what you don't allow. This can be different for everyone , and if also personal i think ..but one thing is sure we do like them to listen when they are other. I think its very important not to pressure pups too much ...let them be pups for a while , but you do have to be very consequent letting them know what you allow and what not. Amstaff is a breed that needs a firm hand , so dont be to easy on them ..the softer you are the harder they grow into a higher rank possition within your group ( you and your family). The magic word has to be consequent at all times ...never change your decisions .no is no , now and tomorrow as well. I would tell you to see other dogs and pups ( after all vaccinations) and let your dog blend in .let the pup play and get to know other animals ...trains ...busses ...cars and all normal things in life. That way you will get a very stabile dog , just like you want to.
john
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Post by PitBullLeri on Nov 1, 2002 14:10:56 GMT -5
Great question about raising pups for SchH in mind. I'll try to do things a little different this time, compared to what I did six years ago. For one, I will imprint tracking VERY early. In fact, have already begun with 6 week old pups, allowing them to root around for kibble in the grass. This is not how they get ALL of their food...only a start. Also, I will be more open to exposing the pups to all sorts of stimuli, rather then worrying about disease. Oh, and since I now have an interest in Ring sports, I will add the clatter stick and whisle early. I have started seperating pups into small groups daily and have begun the crate training process.
Like I said, it has been a long time since I raised up a litter with work potential as a priority. I think just allowing the pups to be pups, rather then constantly LQQKING for good (or bad) signs will be a nice change. So many things can happen making strong pups end up fizzling out and weaker pups becoming strong later on. Of course this only happens AFTER they've been placed in pet home ;D
This is a nice board! Thanks Dan for inviting me!
Bye fur now, Leri
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Nov 3, 2002 19:31:41 GMT -5
Thats a good point your saying leri , we do when we select a pup on working behaviour , look for stability in a pup . For the years as we are into amstaffs , i made some mistakes , but luckaly i've learn from them. You do have to agree with me that , we are special within the breed ...we can't just select on working skills - there are buyers that doesn't work their dogs/pups so we do have to keep that in mind as well. My white rockers are excellent workers , as well as good lookers ..im so gradefull for that. Your idea of giving the pups something to look for is a great idea , and new to me to. Its great to be able to read what others are being up to as well. Thanks for the comment , i hope many will follow ..now don't be shy ;D john
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Post by Erin on Nov 5, 2002 5:25:38 GMT -5
Hi.. Interesting answers..i'm learning a lot this way..thankxx I have another question If i want to raise my pup for SchH in mind what must i be aware off by seeking/finding the best dogschool for his puppyclass and Obedience. I've seen a bit of the schools in my neiberhoudt but they all have there own training idees so how do i pick the right one?? Hope you can help..Erin.
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Post by ajasage on Nov 7, 2002 12:31:53 GMT -5
If you're looking to train your dog in Schutzhund, I wouldn't start going to regular obedience. I would find a trainer that trains in the sport. . . and then one that will accept your dog. I started one of my dogs with regular obedience, and I'm paying for it now. . .
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Post by Erin on Nov 7, 2002 14:46:53 GMT -5
Hi Ajasage, Thank you for your advice.....never thought that obedience could be turning out bad by the wrong trainer or kind of obedience,but how do i know which kind of sport trainer is best. Here by me in the city there's a school but the onley train flybal and obediece..so the told me.. Know i have read your advice about that your still paying cause you started whit regular obedience i now surley want to know how to choose a good one.....are there any points i must look at what trainers and so more concern. I never have traint with a dog before so i realy don't know what to expect and hope to find a trainer who is capable to train my dog and support me allong with it at the same time. I have to learn from it to....don't i Hope there come more advice's....Erin.
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Post by ajasage on Nov 7, 2002 15:49:58 GMT -5
Well, if this is your first time ever training a dog yourself, you may not want to start in Schutzhund. It’s a little bit advanced for someone just starting out. In this case, I would get a taste of training doing some regular obedience. This is just to see if you like training. If you get into Schutzhund, you will be devoting A LOT of time and effort into training your dog in the hopes to get a title, which may not be where you’re at- at this point.
When looking for trainers to train AmStaffs/Pit Bulls, I would look for someone that offers motivational training methods. Meaning, the dog learns to obey your commands for a reward (at first) later, once the dog is aware of exactly what he/she is supposed to do, a correction should be introduced if the dog decides to do other than what you have said.
Once you have completed some basic obedience with your dog, you may have a better idea of what type of sport (if any) to get involved in. At that point, any extensive obedience training MAY have effected the dog in a way that he/she will not work out for certain sports. In which case, you may have to wait until your second dog to get involved in sports.
For example, my dog Esco completed advanced obedience training and is a very “composed” young man. He does great in obedience competitions, but all of the obedience training has prevented him from wanting to pull or do any bite work because in his mind he thinks it’s bad and he thinks that he’ll get corrected for it. But, going through the obedience training with him taught me a lot about training and handling dogs. Now I have another dog and am hoping to get a Schutzhund title on him this spring. This dog wouldn’t be doing nearly as well if I hadn’t learned from Esco. . .
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Post by Erin on Nov 7, 2002 18:00:15 GMT -5
Hi,
I think i know a little better know whats mean't by training and obedience. Its not going to be my first dog by the way,also it is going to be my first Amstaff so i have to learn a lot about the breed and even then every dog is different.. I've own't a rottweiler but traint/raised that my own so i never went to a puppy class ore something like that. But i think that the kind of training also depends on the dog there not all the same....i will take the advice to first get some experience in training, i was more curious off how to find a good trainer so there is a good guide to give me a good start and a lot of advices on the way...
Thanks a lot of your advice and remarks its very helpful..greets Erin
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Post by dakota on Nov 15, 2002 9:37:12 GMT -5
Well, this is a very good question. I'm also curious about all the answers because we don't have a pup yet, we can learn all about raising it (on this message board) meanwhile looking in books and learning from others by experience. Last week we went to Ansdijk with John and his nice dog Bonita, who is doing extremely well on her training IPO, it was for us the first time we saw ipo. Here in belgium i ' m looking for some clubs who do ipo too, no succes so far, the most do ringsport. I must seek more Bonita is doing very well, by my opinion she was the best in searchwork and extremely "workacoholic"(what is my english poor). John, I think she is ready for the exam you will be taking next year. She will do great. So for me this ipo-thing ;D is very new, but I like it a lot. Oh, amstaff are just to good for just being show-dogs if you ask me. Dakota (KIM)
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Post by Tracey on Nov 15, 2002 15:22:18 GMT -5
HI Kim- I agree with your last line 100% I am a firm believer that the Am Staffs are much more than just another pretty face, and your English is wonderful!! I am glad you got the chance to watch Bonita working..good luck finding an IPO club...but maybe you could do Ring??? There are a couple of people on the list that train in Ring Sport that may be able to guide you along..and there is NO tracking ;D Take Care!
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Nov 15, 2002 20:31:50 GMT -5
Hi ,
We had a great weekend , having our friends from belgium over for a long weekend .. So we went to the working club on sunday , i already knew that kim and micha would be surprized seeing the diffirence between bonita at home and working . Thats about the same as jeckle and hide ( or what ever LOL) , i am really pleased that they have also seen the training and know what is possible to learn your dog. She is ready thats for sure , but i will be patient and wait untill we will have new exams.
By the way , our member ERIN have seen us working as well , i picked her up at the train station and she followed us all day ..and after training we went home so she could enjoy the other dogs we have... i think she fell in love with sonic ...but im not sure ;D
Any one we like is welcome to watch us train , and in the time we are busy training several people came to us to look at our training. To see this amstaff breed at work , to see howmuch this great breed enjoys working ...
Will have been with us as well , he even took him male sorin with him and practized at our field using our helper and got some help from my trainer rob valk. And we have been training at will's club as well ..its great to work on different helpers.
Maybe one day i might open my own club , but that is not yet my passion ...but it might be in the future.
Kim if you like you can train your pup at will's club , with is not too far from the belgium/holland border , at the time you have your pup , you must have visited him to.
john
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Nov 15, 2002 20:56:30 GMT -5
Hi Erin ,
We have been talking about dogs , so you do know my ideas of training a dog or pup , one think you do have to realize first has to be that it is not the easiest to train a dog that doesnt have it in him/her. When a pup misses the thing that makes it a real working dog , as we call it game or spirit , then you do have a problem. It will not only take much longer , but the dog misses a very important thing , which is what you do need for this kind of training. Sometimes people do make me laugh when they say to me that , well my dog can do that , thats easy ..they think that their mostly dominant dog is able to do the same as we are doing.. As i have told you and many others , the best dogs are the stabile ones , not the agressive ones.
When you start from nothing , it is wise to learn/teach your pup , that what is good is good and what you don't like is not good , the amstaff needs a very consequent upbringing. Then i think that it is wise to start training , at a 'normal'school first , a good and clear obedience is very good for the dogs upbrining and social part. We need the dog to listen , and that stays important during all sorts of dogtraining , doesnt matter which. We don't have allot of choices in dogsports in holland , we can not train for schutzhund , french ring or the one Dan does. So its obedience , flyball and ipo , the last one wont be easy to find ( a IPO school i mean).
What i always do and wil stay doing is making it fun for the dog ..it is a game , and if we want the fulliest attention we need to make it interesting for the dogs. I always say , play with your dogs , don't let them get a very high pressure , but by playing as much as needed , your dog will always have your attention , and will preform well. When you used a jute tug or a ball , as we spoken about before , and you got the dogs attention by only showing it to him , then you will see it makes training allot easier.
I believe that play is the keyword , if the attention is there , the rest shall be easier . To have a good trainer , someone that is capable to see what your dog is doing well and wrong , that is the second most important issue ...
Good school hunting :-)
john
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Post by Erin on Nov 16, 2002 13:01:15 GMT -5
Hi John, I sure have fallen in love whit Sonic, he is my number one at the moment But I liked Bonita just at much but more for her spirit and motivation at the training... To be honest I love all your dogs, there all differend and I love each of them for what the are....there all special in there own kind off way Onley Sonic is to me such a charming dog,who won't fall in love whit such a great looking dog who likes hugging so much ;D Thankx for all your wise advice,I totally agree whit it. Most of it I already knew so I will start from the very beginning with my dog to teach him everything and If he has not god the qualities for IPO or something like that I will accept that In that case I will do the things that he das enjoy, it must be fun for my dog to.....and then I have a good reason to have a second dog later on that mabye has the right spirit to train in IPO ;D By that time you may have your own school so I can train with you Kind Regards, Erin.
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