Maja
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Post by Maja on Apr 10, 2003 8:26:00 GMT -5
I have been "reserching" on the working AST or APBT for some mounths now. You must know how difficult it is to get information regarding working with this breed. In our country we have just show breeders (Slovenia).
In near future I would like to get a female pup for working, either agility or obediance or both. In your openian is there any diference with working either with AST or APBT. My main concern with AST is that they are built to heavy, with APBT I feel their temperament could be a problem. Please corect me if Im wrong.
Please advice.
Best regard to all here (I can not tell you how happy I was to come across with this site).
Maja
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Apr 12, 2003 11:35:05 GMT -5
Hi maja ,
As you know , i have send you a reply back to the email you've send me.
In general and thats my opion , when you have a normal amstaff , so one with a good socialization and without any fears , then you can train this amstaff towards any title.
Almost all our dogs from white rock side aregreat temperamented dogs.
I now know that this isnt to commoneven within this breed ..but ifyou really want to purchase a good working dog, you will be able to find it here , or via this site/forum.
Im sure others will try to help you , but i have to warn you that it might take some time thow.
john
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Post by PitBullLeri on Jul 15, 2003 11:05:56 GMT -5
Hi Maja, Yes, finding "working" lines of either AST or APBT is not always so easy. Part of that reason might be because most serious trainers spend their time training rather then breeding to supply animals to show homes. And most working breeders have a hard time finding quality working homes for the pups. Working offspring are usually MUCH different then show offspring in drive, temperament, conformation, etc. There are very few who have several generations of "working titled" AST or APBT...but some of us are working on it :-) My experience with the AST is limited. The one I did have was sent back to the breeder as we just didnt click at all. The last 20 years I have shared my life with APBT's, of the show line until about 15 years ago when I began titeling my dogs. So, with that being said, I can only share with you my experience with friends who have AST, or both AST & APBT. The AST tends to be VERY consistant, even tempered and reliable as heck. The APBT can be a little "hotter" on and off the field with a mind of their own. The APBT's I know tend to be very handler sensitive so harsh corrections are generally minimal and quite effective! Also, many APBT's have a much thinner coat then the average AST, so cold weather can be difficult on them. And of course, the APBT have a tendency to come in all shapes and sizes allowing them great endurance and athleticsm when not burdened with too heavey a bone and/or muscle. But, sometimes they end up looking like rat dogz ;D Either way, hard to go wrong with either breed as long as YOU are responsible and understanding of the breed and it's history. Best of luck! Leri & her ratdog "Goose" during critique AWDF 2000  |
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Post by PitBullLeri on Jul 15, 2003 11:51:00 GMT -5
.......With the AST's you have a much larger field of where you can compete, compared to the APBT. FCI recognizes the AKC breeds, but not the UKC breeds. This in itself will limit your ability to compete at many functions if you decide to go with an APBT.
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Jul 18, 2003 19:49:07 GMT -5
Overhere in holland and most european countries , we are kind of special , not often there are amstaffs doing this kind of work.
Not to mention the level they work in , we try to be as good as possible - but we don't have those fields and the space we need.
And not to forget , there arent enough people interested in our kind of sports .
A true pity.
john
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