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Post by dakota on Apr 7, 2003 14:39:16 GMT -5
This weekend we went to Borrasca Vany (amstaff female of 5 years) As I know myself I always want to play for 5 minutes. The fact is that vany doesn't know how to abbord. I made her come back and sit in front of me (where she always used to get round and trying to pick the ball out of my hands) But the some and apport.....  she gets the ball comes to me and she stops in front of me for some steps further than my hand. She puts the ball down. Off coarse it isn't my dog and I am the first whoese asking her to bring the ball in front of me (or if better giving it to me) Can this one still be learned? Just asking to know. Kim |
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Apr 7, 2003 17:14:48 GMT -5
Hi kim ,
Well this is an easy one for me :-)
So you like to practize with a dog .. ..now when you throw something away and the dog brings it back , but is used to walk around you to sit nice next to you ...you just go and stand before a wall !
She can walk thru a wall ;-)
When dogs run back too fast and you have the feeling that they are running straight thru you ..you just hold up your knee and let them bumb into it ..after a few times they realize that it hurts.
And 99 out of 100 times , they will present the object nicely.
Do understand that when the dog presents the object , that you have to trade it for something else ( a cookie or some food)
Then after a while , they get the point.
thats all there is
john
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Post by dakota on Apr 8, 2003 13:09:58 GMT -5
Maybe i didn't explain it good in english I will try in dutch
Vany komt voor me zitten en blijft wachten tot ik de bal gooi (dat heb ik haar al kunnen leren)
wat gaat er nu fout:
ze komt wel terug maar niet waar ik ze wil, ze blijft een meter voor je staan.
Ze geeft de bal dus niet in je handen terug.
Achter haar aan lopen of naar haar toe lopen lukt natuurlijk want ze loopt dan weg (ze neemt met mij een spelletje lol)
haar roepen en lokken lukt niet al te best.
Wat er vroeger wel steeds fout ging was dat de kinderen (5) van deze kennis met vany (de hond) steeds achter haar aan liepen om de bal terug te nemen.
Na vijf jaar lijkt het me dus een redelijk moeilijke opdracht om ze de bal in mijn handen te laten afgeven.
Maar deze opdracht lijkt me niet ONmogelijk daaromd e vraag.
Kim
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Apr 8, 2003 13:18:05 GMT -5
Hi kim ,
so its dutch now LOL ..
I think i was the one that didnt understand the question well .. but you have to remember one thing , she isnt your dog.
So if a dog hands over a toy , you have to be within the group of that dog , one way or the other.
Handing over toys or food , means that the person is accepted as higher in rank.
And running or walking or flying to catch her is wrong , then you dont get any respect from her ever.
Dogs need to know who is boss , but in general dogs dont have more bosses , one is enough.
Maybe a collie or a golden retriever is different , but i think its not amstaff like.
I can be wrong of course.
john
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Apr 8, 2003 13:22:59 GMT -5
When you leanr a dog to bring stuff back , you need to start with trading ..food for toys or ball or whatever.
Trading means i give something from me back to you ..dogs do understand that.
This is what we use with almost all the situations where dogs are involved.
If i just look at tracking ..the dog is looking for a reward ..thats what it gets after finding the objects on a track.
Another one is , when you walk with your dog for lets say obedience , to get the focus of the dog ..we play or give food ..playing is a reward , just like food is.
The rest im sure you understand :-)
john
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