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Post by PitBullLeri on Nov 10, 2002 20:57:04 GMT -5
Hello all,
I was wondering how many folks on this board originally started with a different breed for sport, then changed over to the AST/APBT? Or, perhaps started with this breed, then moved on to dogs originally bred for sport work. Overall, how many (besides Tracey) train and title multiple breeds on a semi regular basis?
For those that keep multiple breeds, how do you house your animals? Do they interact at all or are they always seperated?
Also, why this breed for sport? What do you feel are the weak points as well as strong?
Sorry bout the 20 question game. Inquiring minds just wanna know ;D
Bye fur now,
Leri
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Nov 12, 2002 16:22:06 GMT -5
Well let me answer your first , my first amstaff i trained for IPO was about 10 years ago , his name was skrams jack the zipper.
About two and a half years ago i started again , with my own bred girl cheyenne indians running squaw aka bonita.
Her sister cheyenne indians lady hawk went to italy and took her schutzhund I with very high scores , omar was the trainer.
Now i only have one female for IPO , so she gets all the attention she needs.
I will train her till she has IPO III , so im very hopeful for her .
john
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Nov 22, 2002 6:16:57 GMT -5
The question was great , the replies are very poor.
Thats a pity , so what can we do to boost this forum up ?
Maybe you know ....let me know.
john
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Post by Tracey on Nov 25, 2002 9:13:12 GMT -5
Well guess I will answer this since no one else will  I have my dogs in the house, some are in runs, some in large wire crates and a couple are left out. I have found that all my dogs can interact with one another except for my girls..some of them just don't get along. All our boys are fine with each other. The breeds I have are APBT, AST, GSD, Malinois and Bullmastiff. And all have been or are being worked in Schutzhund. The reason I enjoy this breed for sport is because when I started in Schutzhund I already had a Pit Bull and she was a natural for the protection work. Her first time out she bite the sleeve and we couldn't get her off it..that was funny, as we were at a seminar and I was told by my club members that my dog would NEVER title in SchH. So I was hooked on the breed by my first exposure to this breed. That is why I choose them now ;D Weak Points...This isn't for all dogs but this is my experience with the ones I have owned/trained Dog Aggression Hectic in the work Bore easily Tracking (for me) has been tough to teach and get good results Don't work well in cold/wet weather Can be overly soft to humans Can be handler hard when in drive Over the top prey drive..that is sometimes more difficult to contol negative reaction from trainers/judges Strong Points Love of people High prey drive stable confident temperament athletic high food drive intelligent(that can work against you too though)  usually lack handler aggressiveness solid steady temperament happy workers, love to be doing something There are many more things I love about them but this is a start... |
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Post by Maja on Jul 10, 2003 6:43:26 GMT -5
Hello there!
This is a topic that interests me a lot, since Im very interested in working with dogs in general. I have been looking for ideal working pitbull or Amstaff for long time but somehow could not find what I was looking for in a dog. Just recently I bought my first Malinois and working with him is a dream come true. But nevertheless I strongly bealive in working abilities of Pitbulls and would like some day (in few years) train one. The only major problem is that defence work is not allowed so I can do that only for myself. The situation in Europe is not likely to change which is a shame for such a talented breed.
So I would also like to hear more information or experiences with working with different breeds.
Regards to all
Maja
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Post by Carina on Jul 11, 2003 15:53:51 GMT -5
Hallo!
I started with Daschhounds, train them in hunting of course and do ringsports. I also train obedience and agility with that breed.
I wanted a little bigger kind of dog to do more work, I find Amstaff and I never regret that.
In my house I have three Daschhounds and two Amstaffs, they always run together in our home, here I´m get a warning from Amstaff-people in Sweden.
-Watch up you got two kind of dogs who´s very strong!
I have no problem, only when the females is bleeding I separate my two males for security, and my females are of course separete to not get with puppies.
I train my Amstaffs in obedience, agility, and seek and more will come. So far I couldn´t find any weakness at all. I just wonder why the police and military in Sweden doesn´t use this dogs? I found them much better than exemple German Shepard. And I wondering why the breed doesn´t could be place in the class "Working Dogs"
here in Sweden. Black Terrier is a Working Dog here.
Carina
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Post by PitBullLeri on Jul 15, 2003 10:05:55 GMT -5
Carina writes:
"I started with Daschhounds, train them in hunting of course and do ringsports."
Leri:
Carina....you train Daschunds in RINGSPORT?? Perhaps I misunderstood your reply. Or perhaps ringsports over there are different then the French and/or Mondio ringsports over here? Please explain.
Also, to Maja regarding the Malinois. I find them to be one of the easiest breeds of dogs I have ever trained. They can make even a poor to mediocre trainer look good. One day I hope to have a good Mal as the one I have now is very soft and stick sensitive. He will never make it to the higher levels in ringsport. But, he should title quickly in SchH once I am done with ring.
Thanks for the great replies!
Leri
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Post by fsaforo on Mar 17, 2004 17:08:35 GMT -5
Maja,
What is the situation in Europe as far as amst or pits go? Seems this breed has bans or restrictions everywhere around the world.
Prejudice is indeed ashame against this wonderful breed. I still resent the fact the first time I walked my dogs in my new neighboorhood, the looks and comments were so ugly.
What's important, is that we current and future owners not let it hurt us or or choosen breed.
Flo
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Post by Satu on Mar 21, 2004 6:52:22 GMT -5
Hi!
This subject is really interesting! I hope that all whose got an amstaff will reply... I haven't got amstaff- yet, but what I wanna say is that here in Finland you can own an amstaff (they are "legal") but you can't go to the trials (for example IPO, tracking, searching...) with them, because the breed is not a "working-breed". Silly?
What you CAN do is obedience, rescue-things and AGI of course.
Carina? I think I know why the swedish police doesn't use amstaff. It is same in here: the climate is too could...
Satu
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Post by dakota on Mar 21, 2004 9:04:56 GMT -5
I don't have an amstaff yet but i do have a meaning about this interesting subject.
Now i can reply easily because for a few months i go to look in our dogschool where i will be training my amstaff when we have one.
What i like about this school is that many dogs are allowed well all dogs are allowed lol.
So when all dogs of all breeds are allowed you can watch all breeds on training.
So i watch all dogs from pup till best ones in group (those who train their dogs for games , obience training there , they don't do bitework)
I' ve seen german sheperds, labradors, bouviers, dobberman and a mechelaar are those that train on high very high level, in the beginning i only watch the pups and the lower classes because we have not a dog yet, but now since a month or two i got bored watching those, i will get my change too in those classes so it is better i watch the very best ones , so i can see how those dogs doing (they started also as pup). So i took my legs and watch now for the classes that are working working really working now.
I think it has to be the trainer/handler also that makes a difference.
So i have seen a lot of dogs working , and i have seen Bonita working too (john's female dog bonita)
maybe it is because i like so much the amstaff but maybe i just have it by the right end.
Bonita is one of a hell of a good working dog.
the reason why i want to work my amstaff dog is that i don't only would like to do show-class , they do have a great brain , lol so amstaffs are just to good to be potatoe-sitters before the fire lol
on the other hand i want to show others that this breed is capable of doing work also on high levels.
I'm just a starter when it comes to dogs and training dogs but i do have the strenght and the will to work with my dog because i like the relation dog-working-partner.
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Post by dakota on Mar 21, 2004 9:10:53 GMT -5
i wanted to add just one thing:
What do you like about the amstaff when it comes to working? and which things do you like to be not seen.?
is he a fast learner
does he have a great prey drive
does he have a good will to please
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