Jet957
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Post by Jet957 on Oct 25, 2004 13:20:49 GMT -5
Hi everyone,
I am posting this thread in a negitive vibe and i hope someone here on the forum can give me some tips.
It has been more then a month already that i have contacted different AST kennels here in NL and europe. Not one has replied back to me. Not even for saying "excuse us but now there is no litter available". It has gone so far that I have called a kennel up here in NL and left them a message on their answering machine with the hope that they might even returm my call. But no way! No return call.
I started to wonder maybe i am writing something wrong in the emails that i am sending. To be honest with you guys I dont know anymore.
The thing about this is that on all the kennel webpages they encourage you to buy a dog with a pedigree and dont go buy a dog with out one. But as it is turning out I have no other choice but to buy a dog from a backyard breeder.
In my emails i introduce myself, I tell them what i know about the breed. Then I ask if it is possible for me to pas by to take a look at the dogs personaly. I close with a friendly salutation.
Am I doing something wrong here? It is getting up to a point that they are really making me angry. Can some one help me maybe my approach is wrong?
Jairo
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Post by dakota on Oct 26, 2004 3:31:04 GMT -5
Umm, Good question. That is just the way it is sometimes, Mostly I get answers from kennels but when i'm posting to the usa , i get no recalls(some of the time). Not that i'm asking to buy a dog , but I mail them for other things. What do you write in your email or can you post your email here? I don't know why some are not responding. They can't be all on holiday  You have the right emailadress? Are you living in the netherlands? Maybe you can try to go to a show and speak to the owners there? |
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Jet957
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Post by Jet957 on Oct 26, 2004 7:01:02 GMT -5
Ok here is one of the emails
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Dear Omar,
How are you? I am sending you this email since I have an interest in an AST from your kennel. I am located in the Netherlands. I have looked around here in the Netherlands but couldn’t find what I am looking for. The only kennel that had what I was looking for is The Cheyenne Indian Kennel, the one that Dingo came from but unfortunately that are not breeding anymore.
So I went searching on the internet and I came across your website, which is very nice and informative. I am not interested in a show Am. Staff, rather I would prefer a high spirited and game Am. Staff. I am actually looking for something like Dingo, and as I saw on your web page you have one of Dingo’s daughter and grand son. What I am looking in the breed is the drive and willing to please. What I am looking to get out of it is:
Good stable dog (easy to socialize)
Loyal and obedient (planning on training the dog)
Out going and companionship (nice to have around )
I think the am. Staff will be able to give me this.
I have read on your site that you do not have a litter right now. What do I have to do for you to consider me as a prospect buyer and owner of one of your dogs?
A little about myself:
My name is Jairo A. Martinez, I’m 29 years of age and I am finishing my degree in International Business here in The Netherlands. I am originally from Aruba. (Island in the Caribbean)
I hope to hear from you….
Kind regards
Jairo A. Martinez
International Business Student
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Ok this is one of the emails... this one i sent to a kennel in Italy. The other emails are in Dutch but they contain the same format.
Maybe you can tell me what i did wrong, and when calling them personally and leave a message they dont get back to me.. as i said in my previous posts
Jairo
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Carla
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Post by Carla on Oct 26, 2004 10:55:57 GMT -5
Ok here is one of the emails ------------------------------------------------------- I would prefer a high spirited and game Am. Staff. Don't use the word "game". It is correctly used only in a fighting dog context. "Gameness" in this breed was determined by pit fighting. Our dogs may be courageous, brave, tenacious, stable, hi-energy, hi-drive, etc; but unless you are testing your dogs in the pit, you cannot say they are game. You want a high-drive, high-energy, stable, courageous dog - not a game dog. That MIGHT help. Carla |
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Post by dakota on Oct 26, 2004 10:57:25 GMT -5
i think the best advice I could give you is speak to John (cheyenne indians)
, maybe he can help you.
O by the way we have a male out of Sonic and Angel which are two dogs from cheyenne indians kennel (our male born 29/08/2004)
Have you spoken to cheyenne indians kennel yet?
your email looks ok.
john is also a web"mister" from this board or how do you call it.
I'm from belgium.(by the way)
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Post by dakota on Oct 26, 2004 10:59:43 GMT -5
o well carla is right, that is the only word that's wrong chosen in your mail i had read over it. sorry |
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Jet957
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Post by Jet957 on Oct 26, 2004 11:56:28 GMT -5
Thank you all for shedding some light on this... I knew it that i was doing something wrong. I think i have to get the definition of the words right.  Yes I have contacted Mr. John Meijers, but unfortunately it was a dead end since he has topped breeding here in NL. Today i called another kennel that i had my hopes up getting a dog from them but the owner told me the following "we only sell to ppl that already own one of our dogs. For new buyers if it clicks it clicks... pls check with us again in about 4 months" as you can read in my email, that i have put my hopes up for an AST from the Cheyenne Indians Kennel. I am a very persistent person, but i think this matter of owning an AST is slipping away. Importing one would be very expensinve. ( i have considered that as well) I think that i am not allone.. i think for new dog enthausiast this is a common problem. Its a pitty though but its the reality... Thnx Carla and Dakota  Jairo |
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Post by dakota on Oct 26, 2004 14:43:46 GMT -5
You have to believe in yourself also. What kind of dog you like, i mean which type of ast? And importing is no longer that costy , you can try some more kennels. you can try the links on the websites you allready saw. keep us informed maybe we can help some more. Are you planning to wait some months or is it now you want a dog? That can also be a matter of consideration. Most breeders don't get happy about it when you say, hey i want a pup, do you have puppies today? And I agree with that. You can't take the risk of selling a dog to someone that would buy a sheperd yesterday and want an other breed today. I don't think that you are in such position , but amstaff breeders are carefull with selling puppies to everybody. just let us know |
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Jet957
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Post by Jet957 on Oct 26, 2004 15:54:08 GMT -5
You have to believe in yourself also. What kind of dog you like, i mean which type of ast? Are you planning to wait some months or is it now you want a dog? That can also be a matter of consideration. Most breeders don't get happy about it when you say, hey i want a pup, do you have puppies today? Ok you got me there with what type of AST do i like. I am just learning about the different blood line and through my naked inexperience eyes I wont be able to tell the difference between the different types yet. I am planning on waiting for a period. I have been reading and visiting dog forums for quite a long time already. one which i am really active on is Bandog The thing is that it's frustrating when you approach a handfull of kennels and they all turn you down. None of the contacts that i was trying to make, i ever asked if they had puppies and that i would like to buy one immediately. I ask them about their dogs and if there is a possibility for my to pas by to see the dogs in person. Could you pls explain to me what you meant with "which type of AST? I'm glad that you all are giving this topic the light of day.. |
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Post by dakota on Oct 27, 2004 11:50:42 GMT -5
you have sorts of dogs i mean, if you ask me what kind of dog I like , I say one with that type of head, that structure if you like white rock kind'a dogs or sindelars kinda of dogs or maybe woods, that is more spoken in kennel names but that are the ones that are common seen nowaydays. but that is something you have to see for yourself, what kind of dog you like most. Maybe you like terrier type bully type just look at those pages maybe you find your kind of dog. amstaffnetwork0.tripod.com/brdrhmpgs.htmi hope you can find out what type you like, you can see which combination they are making. I would also advice you take more then once the time to see the pages, and importing doesn't have to be more expensive I waited and asked our breeder which combination he would make in future. I can name a few kennels where I would buy a dog but i don't think that would make to help you sorting out YOUR own choise. |
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Jet957
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Post by Jet957 on Oct 27, 2004 13:45:13 GMT -5
you have sorts of dogs i mean, if you ask me what kind of dog I like , I say one with that type of head, that structure but that is something you have to see for yourself, what kind of dog you like most. Maybe you like terrier type bully type Cool this is becomming more interesting It was today as a matter of fact that i was talking to a guy in sweden about this. He asked me the same question. Yes, I have noticed 2 types of AST (build wise). I saw a smaller and one thats a bit big-boned. I like the one that is big-boned. here is a picter of Cheyenne Indian's Sonic:  This is the build and bone structure that i am looking for. But i have also learned that looks arent everything. The dog should posses basic qualities. (mentally stable, good temperament and so on) ;D I find it so funny that i was talking to someone about this and now you are asking me about it I'd go with the bit bigger bone structure and the block head, i think that would be the Bull type, right? pls correct me if i'm wrong. Jairo |
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Haukur
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Post by Haukur on Oct 28, 2004 4:19:28 GMT -5
If you are looking for a amstaff bred purly for it´s temper and working ability there are not many breeders left that do that after the ban in Germany. But if you want a courageous dog with very high drives you should try looking for a dog with these german working lines. From kennels like Hungener Schloss, Schwab´s or Chivas for example that bred great working dogs but I think they have all stoped breeding amstaffs. I have a bitch with great temper and working ability from Kennel Brown Hunt www.bh-amstaff.dk and she will be bred to a german working line male but it will not happen untill the end of the sommer 2005 after they have gotten there IPO titels. |
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Jet957
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Post by Jet957 on Oct 28, 2004 6:34:21 GMT -5
Thanx for you input... i apreciate it. bu the site that you have posted is in a language that i cant read Summer 2005.. well the thing is that i am not rushing, but i dont know if i can wait that long and maybe that i wont come into remark for a pup. |
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Haukur
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Post by Haukur on Oct 28, 2004 10:31:19 GMT -5
He that owns the male I´m thinking of using on my bitch was also talking about breeding his bitch. I can try to find out if he is thinking about doing it soon. Se has a IPO 3 and took part in the Danish IPO championships 2 weeks ago.
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