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Post by dakota on Jul 31, 2003 12:27:36 GMT -5
what does it mean outcross linebreed and incross?
and mother and son are incest , why does some breeders take the risk to breed son and mother?
Dakota
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Jul 31, 2003 13:01:36 GMT -5
Most lines are outcrossed originally , if you take the two major lines the ruffian and the x pert line.
Nowerdays we talk about outcross when we go outside the line we follow.
Such as dingo , he is pure white rock line , but sonic isnt - he has white rock and thingy n bulls in him.
But i dont think these are lines , its more types of dogs.
Or a kennel , that produced a certain type of dog - for lines i think you must be in to breeding for many years.
Inbred or tight linebreed is when dogs and bitches are used that are very very close in line - i dont think mother son , or daughter dad is normal , so thats not linebreed but foolbreed if you'd asked me.
What does happen is son and grandmom , or father and granddaughter , im not into that , because faults will come back much stronger then 'normal 'breedings.
When you cross in , that means that you did a outcross and then come come back to one line breed , for example :
I use dingo on a female from a different line , and keep a daugther - this daughter is going to be mated to a male that has the same line as dingo has - so breed back in line you.
You can of course also breed a male pup to a female from the same line dingo has.
I believe this is very good , so that way you will get new blood and don't inbreed problems , something what is easy of you only breed on pure lines for years and years without using fresh outcross dogs and bitches.
I do believe its better to use a different male on your females , instead of the other way around.
john
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Jul 31, 2003 13:03:28 GMT -5
it happens again with another word- well ~ c o c k 'n' bulls is the other line ...not thingy LOL
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Post by dakota on Jul 31, 2003 13:32:53 GMT -5
lol
i allready was reading c ock 'n' bulls
So c ock n'n bulls is also a type of dog not a line?
Which lines are there then eventually
tex, white rock, and x-pert or others too.??
Dakota
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Post by dakota on Jul 31, 2003 13:36:58 GMT -5
but i did get the point there john about linebreed and other. Dakota  |
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Jul 31, 2003 17:02:15 GMT -5
Have a look around and im sure you will find all 'lines ' or better said , all kennels or types.
john
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Post by casino on Aug 6, 2003 19:22:47 GMT -5
i don't think that white rock qualifies as a line - it is a large kennel that has been in business for a long time, but not a blood line in and of itself. the major bloodlines are basically ruffian and xpert. just because a kennel is very famous does not make it a bloodline.
a bit about linebreeding - when you breed closely related dogs - if you do it right - you should eliminate the faults, not bring them back "much stronger than with normal breeding" linebreeding is done to take faults out of brood stock by eliminating unknown genes. obviously you should not breed two closely related dogs with the same obvious fault, because the problem will be predominant in the pups.
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Aug 7, 2003 11:45:04 GMT -5
I agree on that - when a breeder breeds very tight , and too often they will get problems sooner or later.
And i also agree ( of course) that there are just two important bloodlines , the rest has used both of them to get their own type or favourite dogs/types.
This all takes many years , and need alot of knowledge and alot of patience.
john
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Post by casino on Aug 8, 2003 18:42:12 GMT -5
that is why it is so important to research pedigrees as far back as you can before you do a breeding. you should know most if not all of the dogs behind the breeding so you know what problems you are likely to have. just knowing the dog and b i t c h is not enough.
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Aug 9, 2003 19:38:52 GMT -5
Even when we know the ancestors , we don't know their characters , because most are only on pictures ..thats not always helping much.
Some say a line is this and others say the oposite , what is true , not easy to know upfront.
The dogs we have an use are great for us , and we will only focus on them and their offspring - no matter what .
But when you are doing well or less , it is always a gues what happens in the next litter you are having.
john
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