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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on May 5, 2003 16:42:05 GMT -5
Hi all ,
Well this time i need some advice - Now our youngest female angel is trying to dominante the rest . I won't allow it , she is really pissing me off and the result of that is , that i need to find a solution fast. She is going to be two years old in september , and the rest of the dogs - two females and a male - have always allowed her to do everything she wanted ..so sitting on them , dominating them , even the oldiest which is her mom.
When i let them run outside , she is the one pushing anyother away to be infront of things - this is really pissing me of big time.
I don't hit dogs , but man ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you understand. So please give me some good advices -
thanks heaps - john
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on May 5, 2003 16:55:42 GMT -5
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danb
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Post by danb on May 5, 2003 19:53:52 GMT -5
You allowed the dog to dominate the older dogs when she was young, why are you surprised she is doing it now? here's my advice... don't allow a dog to things when it's a pup that you don't want it do do when it's 2 yrs old.
not trying to be sarcastic even though it may appear that I am.
dan
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on May 6, 2003 6:58:49 GMT -5
Well i know you're not , but the matter was that the dogs themselves have been letting her do whatever she wanted. Im not punishing her , because i dont want her to be afraid of me. She had a bad experience when she was three months old - a big and very loud fireworks exploded about 2 metres from her. That made her very insecure ..so in the following months , i have helped her getting her convidence back ...it worked. That meanted i had to losen up on her ..she was very fast holding back when she heard loud noices.
I am thinking about putting a leash on her and when she goes out , i will correct her on the leash if necesarry...and without saying anything to her.
Or do you think its better to say everything to her ..wont she get insecure even more ? Thats why i need advice , im not sure how to handle this in the best way -- im kinda hard , but can be very patient to.
john
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pluto
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Post by pluto on May 6, 2003 9:36:22 GMT -5
Hi, john! I don't think you have done anything wrong with you dogs as you said the other dogs let her dominate them. Maybe they like to have her as leader (after you). I dont think it's a law that the older dogs command younger. I have seen the opposite many times. I think it's more about personality and breed (an amstaff dominate more than a setter). A few months ago our dog club organized a day trip to a wolffence and we had oppertunetely to stay with them for a few ours and after we had a discussion with the wolfkeeper. One question was what the alfawolf do when other wolfs in the group are not getting on well. He's answar was that he doesn't care a nuts! I'm sorry that I dont have any advice to you, but I'm against punishment of dogs. The behavior will reduce for the moment, but you don't know what you will have instead, maybe even worse...Punishment usually justed works when we are near them or when they can't escape. Maria
Ps. She looks lovely John. What an "amstaffattitude"!
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Post by Maja on May 6, 2003 9:57:06 GMT -5
I agree with Pluto but also it has to be your decision not hers.
Until recently I had lived with two dogs and two cats. The big dog was the alpha animal in the house but when he become ill, the small younger dog would take an advantage. She would still his food infront of him, she would not alove him to enter the house, she would sit infront of him to be pet first… So even if the older dog did not react, I did. I did not like that she behaved in that manner. I also noticed that she was becoming more and more dominant. Now she is the only dog in the house. We had an older cat who never liked dogs but was confident enough that nobody bothered her. Since Nelly has become the only dog in the house she is acting like she owners the place and they get into small fights because of that. I do think since she is dominant in other situations that me as an owner should set boundaries for her. Enough is enough, she should know her place. Dogs learn from situation, soon it becomes the power trip for them. Even if aggression is not an issue I think it is not good for a dog (if he leaves with other dogs) that he always gets his way.
So my advice definitely is let her know its not always her way. But in the end its really up to you, what do you wont from a dog.
Best regards,
Maja
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on May 6, 2003 17:17:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the advices . Im not going to let her behave like this , but the funny thing is that she is adorable inside the house. Since the fireworks explosion , i have always help her convidence up ..this helped allot. But when i see her sitting on tp of the others - all of them- whenever she wants - i tell her to go off them , and she does ( but im not always around).
I think it would be easier if we hold our dogs outside , but thats not an option yet. Time will tell , i will always have my eyes on her and keep her behaviour in my mind - im glad that i understand the signals dogs give... lucky for me but not for her LOL
I might place her if thats better for all of us - so she can be leader of the pack. Our whatever is best for her -- but she is so beautiful ..really something i wanted in my breedingprogram in the future.
john
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Post by Carina on May 7, 2003 16:55:17 GMT -5
Hallo John! You got a lot of answers and it´s seems that you know what to do with your female. But there was something I thought about directly when I read your question. The older dogs who allow her to be dominant, maybe you give the youngest female to much attention( of course she need that), after the explosion with the fireworks and the other dogs think she is higher in rang because of that. I read your answer on the page "Female 18 months".
In my house where we have Amstaffs and Daschhunds togheter, I make the rang whithin the dogs, maybe that´s wrong but it´s works. Carina
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Post by Carina on May 7, 2003 17:02:35 GMT -5
Hallo again John! At my reply I post earlier, I saw the page I meant get the wrong name. The page/subject was "15 months old female dog". Carina
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on May 8, 2003 8:27:57 GMT -5
Hi carina ,
I know what you mean , but it is the same topic , i just hoped for new advices :-)
I haven't goven her too much attention , as a matter of fact i ignore her allot. When i play with all the dogs , she wants to be infront and i push her away , and later pet her to . I don't like this kind of behaviour , but she is too beautifull to sell . In some way this is my fault , but it is never easy to know the exact way to ajust to certain problems big or small.
If i had to choose between a very insecure dog and this , i prefer this . She should understand why i don't put up with it , she has this outside and not inside. So a kennel should be best ....but this wont happen while we are still in holland.
When we are in italy , all dogs shall stay outside and only layla the oldiest can stay with us.
Thanks for all advices , i will try my best to change her behaviour one way or the other.
john
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Post by CindelP on May 28, 2003 8:29:04 GMT -5
Hi,
You may have a nice problem there.
First because you can have in some days a very dominant female, not only towards your dogs, but also towards other dogs and people.
also, because, if your other dogs get pissed a fight might happen. A fight that can be fatal, or even from that moment your dogs may not get along with eachother and i know how hard is to kept two dogs apart on the same house.
One idea is separate her from the rest of the gang to avoid problems with them. However, when putting then together again they might not accept her.
My advice, would be to spplit them but allow contact each day and also be a little hard on them - i mean, giving more attention to the others so that she realized that shw is not the most important dog.
But, if she does all that to get your attention, that may be a good thing on training
Hitting, even that i agree on hitting dog when it is needed, i don't believe that will be the solution
I myself had a problem like that, my youngest female Estrela is a very dominant b i t c h, she is on front house with two rough collies and she came and dominated them to the point that they could not rest on the front of the kitchen door. Even that the male collie was (and is) dominant, he didn't had the body to fight back. However, after one year old things calmed down and now she is much better. Still very dominant, but does not make problems
Regards and good luck,
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on May 28, 2003 14:31:37 GMT -5
Its changing , she is no longer playing the boss , she is no longer afraid of me ..it wasnt really bad ..but she knew that i knew when she was doing something i dont agree on.
Layla her mom , still is the group leader - finally things are going back to normal. With people , it was never a problem , she is always enjoying visitors ..loves the attention ..but i dont allow too much attention from my visitors of course :-)
Glad its going the right waywith her.
thanks for the advices all .
john
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on May 28, 2003 14:38:04 GMT -5
My dogs have never foght , but they know i won't allow dominant behaviour other then from me and my wife. We thought we knew alot about behaviours on dogs , and in some ways i do ...but i now realized we cant approch every dog with the same approch ..dogs like humans arent all the same .
I did exactly what you tell , ignored her , gave her the food as last in line ..she loves food and eats it like she has to get the last train to china ...very fast... So i stood with them when they ate , and after she finishes ..and the rest is still eating ...her tail normally went up and acted dominant. She doesnt stand a chance ..and she realizes that now ...finally. I adore her looks , and think she is prefect on teh outside ..i will have the inside just a good , even if it takes years - she is worth the effort . like any dog is.
john
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Post by dakota on May 28, 2003 16:34:31 GMT -5
This is soo good news, I was feeling very involved on this matter because I like Angel very much. I think she likes me to ;D She is indeed gorgeous and allways wagging her tail when we came visiting John and Carla and the gang, when we awoke and I went downstairs, there she stood wagging her tail like never before, she did this as well when I was using the Pc of John when we were on visit. We are glad to know the gang of John, they give me so much pleasure. Therefore so much thanks to John and Carla because they became more then breeders to us, they became friends, really close. There is no week that pass without thinking of a dog of Cheyenne Indians. Keep us informed on the behaviour of Angel, will you John? When I 'm feeling down I just pick the pictures of Sonic, Angel, Bonita and Lola and there I am smiling. Thanks so much for sharing those precious moments with us. Great kisses from Dakota , Belgium.
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Post by dakota on May 28, 2003 16:36:29 GMT -5
Those moments DO mean more then a lot.
;D
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