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Post by dakota on Sept 27, 2003 5:14:23 GMT -5
I had a discussion yesterday when we were visiting a nephew of Micha (my "husband") ronald he is called. He works as security guard of money transports and has a dog ( tervuurse herder) named Ringo. He has taken him from the shelter and was trained for security dog for national events. A trained security dog if you can call him so. Me, being passionated about amstaffs/pits, and their work-abilities DOES strongly disbelief in the storey he told me about pits and amstaffs as he put his version about it. I explain: He says that our breed is not capable of herding some sheeps or cows or other animals that has to be put together. He says that our breed is not good for ipo/flyball and agility. I strongly dissagree with him!!! The fact is that not pitbull-amstaff owners like HE believe only those things that are said in the newspaper, said on dogtraining days (his work dogtrainer), said in the media. He THINKS he knows something about our breed but he doesn't. He knows we would like an amstaff to take place in shows, agility, flyball maybe, but surtenly good behaviour. Take the issue ipo/agility and flyball, he strongly advised us IF IT WASN'T BETTER TO TAKE AN Collie instead of an Amstaff. His motivation: our breed is energetic but does not have enough strenght to go on and on for agility or ipo or something else that needs a long time running. WHAT DO YOU SAY? was my question. He is sure not proper introduced in our breed. This issue made me standfast, Now I surtenly will prove amstaff are work-dogs capable of working agility and sofort. You have to be a fool to think amstaffs and pits are NO good for working. This has made me sooooo furious.... NOT CAPABLE of working DUGHHHHHH
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Post by Carina on Sept 28, 2003 16:34:29 GMT -5
Hallo Dakota! I read this and must say: He´s so stupid, don´t know what he´s talking about!
Carina
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Post by dakota on Sept 29, 2003 12:42:45 GMT -5
Or you can also say he doesn't know anything about the breed nor has he read something about our breed I presume. it is like many others just nagging about our breed , saying it is a wrong breed bla bla bla but not knowing anything about it..... it is easy talking then....
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Post by Badazz AST on Oct 19, 2003 14:51:23 GMT -5
I've had that same type of conversation with people who Think AST/APBT's are totally useless as working dogs, and Especially as IPO/SchH dogs! We who own these dogs Know that is just *beep* But every time I try to convince othterwise they throw the same question to my face: Why havent we seen them on the World Championships then, If they are so d**n good And I just don't know What to say back.. ´ Have AST or APBT ever competed in any official WC?? Does anyone here know It really would be nice to have some facts to throw back in their faces..
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Post by Carina on Oct 19, 2003 15:40:37 GMT -5
Hallo Victoria! I have no answer at your question, but I have questions to you about IPO. I should ask you on this side but I know you from Sweden then I could ask you in Swedish and later we can share it on this forum Carina
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Post by Badazz AST on Oct 19, 2003 16:05:33 GMT -5
Hallo Victoria! I have no answer at your question, but I have questions to you about IPO. I should ask you on this side but I know you from Sweden then I could ask you in Swedish and later we can share it on this forum Carina[/quote Yes, maybe that'll be easier
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Oct 20, 2003 4:00:00 GMT -5
if they only knew how good our breed is ...or maybe they are afraid its a better breed in general..sure less slave like , but really good if trained well ...we all know that hopefully others will to
john
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Post by Badazz AST on Oct 22, 2003 9:59:11 GMT -5
I don't know what they're afraid of, but either way that's their loss.. Isn't that right everyone8-)
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Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Oct 26, 2003 10:22:16 GMT -5
It sure is
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Post by dakota on Oct 27, 2003 14:09:30 GMT -5
Indeed a great loss, but I don't care.
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Post by dakota on Oct 28, 2003 12:36:34 GMT -5
i don't care if they are stupid
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Post by Carina on Oct 28, 2003 17:33:35 GMT -5
Now I talk about AST, sad I don´t know more about PBT. Do you know when I surch for a bigger dog a workingdog, my wich was to buy a Dobermann, I like them. Later a breeder throw a Rottweilerpup in my arms, try to convince me to buy, so sweet like a Teddybear... Rhodesian Ridgeback I like too. No, I wanted something else. I was at a Terrierspecial(show) handling a Parson Jack Russel Terrier for a friend...And there for the first time I meet an AST! I wanted one! There was ONE pup for sale in this time and it came to MY house. Many, many times I told people:Think, I find this breed , it was so lucky.
I feel sorry for people doesn´t learn to knew them or train them. But it´s their choice, they miss the happiness living with our kind of dogs.
Carina
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Post by Cologne King`s AST on Jul 18, 2004 15:54:04 GMT -5
Is an Am. Staff. a working-dog? I think it`s an difficult question. I will tell you my point of view. If you mean agility or obedience training, I think an Am. Staff. is an working-dog. But if you mean IPO or Schutzhundesport I think only a few are good working-dogs for this kind of sport. But I also think that is not a problem of this breed, the biggerst problem are their owners. The most ownwers of an puppy forbid so much things: bit in clothes is forbidden, to jump up on people is forbidden, to play with the leash is also forbidden. Forbidden, forbidden, also forbidden!!! To much thinks are forbidden! They take so much of the temperament of their puppies so soon. I think that`s the problem!
I have own some Am. Staff`s and all of them were not hard enough for this sport, becauce I also forbid so much things and I have gotten the result.
Now I own an male:"BH, AD, IPO I (SchH I), Ch. Peace-Keeper`s Al Capone" and he is the only one of my dogs that is hard enough for this sport. I have made everythink differently as with my other Am. Staff`s. I haven`t forbidden things soon. I have never forbidden to bit in clothes. He stopped it himself with the age of five month. I have never forbidden to jump up on people and he do it now if you want to pat him. For me it`s no problem, becauce he only do it if someone wants to pat him. For me his is the dog of my life. And his temperament is very close with the breed standard. He has finished his IPO I and his German Dogshow Championtitle, if everythink goes well we will make the IPO II in the end of this year. TEXT
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Post by Pierre on Jul 19, 2004 9:59:55 GMT -5
Hi there, i must say i totally agree with the last answer It makes me rembember something an old decoy told me 15 years ago: "if you want a working dog: pick up a hard pup, let him bite all he wants; let him grow strong; and never, never start by obedience; let him in the kennel and take him out only for work " I did like that and always had hard workers GS, APBT, DOGO etc...one day, i had an AST, I let her live in the house, so i trained her early in obedience...maybee to much. The result is now a very easy going dog but not a true worker! On the othe hand, I must admit that a very hard dog can't be everybody's dog... Pierre
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Post by blade on Aug 8, 2004 23:59:16 GMT -5
If you go on to the working american pitbull site there is a huge list of titled schutzhund and ipo dogs and there is an amstaff that is schutzhund III and was invited to the USA-FCI WORLD Championship team in switzerland in september 2000.There is also a pitbull that placed second overall in a trail with americas top 20 NAPD on duty working police dogs.I have also come across a website that claims an amstaff is the current PSA protection sports world champion.
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