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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 11:54:59 GMT -5
Post by dakota on Jun 19, 2003 11:54:59 GMT -5
Blunder saved dog breed from ban (Verdens Gang)
An procedural blunder resulted in the Storting refusing yesterday to ban Amstaff dogs – even though the majority of MPs wanted the breed outlawed. The reason? The Labour Party had too many representatives in the Storting’s chamber. Together with the Progress Party’s MPs, they therefore made up a majority against the ban. Labour sent three of its representatives out of the chamber when the mistake was discovered, but by then it was too late. President of the Storting, Jørgen Kosmo (Lab), refused to allow the vote to be retaken since none of the MPs had voted incorrectly. "This kind of thing creates the impression that the Storting does not know what it is doing. People become uncertain about what the Storting actually means. This is very unfortunate," said the Socialist Left Party’s Ina Marte Thorkildsen, who had tabled the proposed ban. The reason for the confusion was a glitch in the system known as "pairing". If an MP is prevented from taking part in a parliamentary vote, an agreement is reached with an MP from another party not to vote either. However, pairing is only allowed as long as it does not upset the balance between the parties, so that all votes accurately reflect the actual views of the parliamentary majority.
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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 11:57:49 GMT -5
Post by dakota on Jun 19, 2003 11:57:49 GMT -5
NORWAY SEEKS BREED BANS AND SHOOTING LAW
THE NORWEGIAN government wants to introduce a law which would give the police right to shoot any dog who attacks a child or less than 12 years old. The proposed legislation would also ban Staffordshire Bull Terriers and the American Staffordshire Terrier.
The government suggested adding the Bull Terrier to the list of banned breeds but this was rejected.
The Norwegian Kennel Club is demanding an investigation into the effects of what it says is an ill thought out law, which was drawn up following a number of attacks on humans by a variety of breeds over the past few years
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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 12:05:22 GMT -5
Post by dakota on Jun 19, 2003 12:05:22 GMT -5
The opposition, led by the Labor and supported by the Socialist Left and Progress parties, preferred to leave this decision to the discretion of the Ministry of Justice, in a provision in the law.
Even though this does not rule out the controversial banning of certain breeds, committee chairman Knut Storberget (Labor) believes that these dogs are safe in practice.
"The Department (of Justice) will not go against the parliamentary majority that does not want these breeds banned," Storberget said.
The government proposal suggested that dogs that substantially injured a person or other pet could be destroyed if it constituted a continuing danger. The approved law restricts who can execute such dogs and prevents a situation where anyone could kill a dog that bites.
The proposal will raise the punishment for those who do not control their dogs to six months and also makes it possible for courts to prevent people from the right to own a dog.
"We are very satisfied with the new dog law. This is a law aimed at dog owners, not dog breeds," Storberget said.
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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 12:26:13 GMT -5
Post by dakota on Jun 19, 2003 12:26:13 GMT -5
maybe someone understands norks
Tirsdag 17.06.03: Dessverre ble det i Stortinget i går kveld stemt over forbud mot am.staff. Et dokument 8 forslag (innkommet mandag morgen) var årsak til at saken kom opp igjen. Ler mer. Resultatet ble 60 stemmer for forslaget (H - V - Krf og SV) - 39 (Frp - AP og SP) imot
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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 12:29:35 GMT -5
Post by dakota on Jun 19, 2003 12:29:35 GMT -5
I found the article but it is in norwegian language
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Ingunn
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Punish the Deed - Not the Breed
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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 13:02:35 GMT -5
Post by Ingunn on Jun 19, 2003 13:02:35 GMT -5
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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 14:06:07 GMT -5
Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Jun 19, 2003 14:06:07 GMT -5
This is very very sad - i can not and will not understand why people think that banning a breed , (with official pedigrees) will reduce attacks on humans - while this breed is known as very kind to people. Why doesnt governments for once investigate what is really going on with dogbites , and investigate the behaviour of dogbreeds before they point their finger in a certain breeds direction.
Do keep us posted , i amongst others am already spreading the news to the dutch communities. So any news is welcome - Is it possible to change this law , once people realize its not the amstaff doing this ? Are more breeds banned , or just the amstaffs ?
john
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Ingunn
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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 14:30:57 GMT -5
Post by Ingunn on Jun 19, 2003 14:30:57 GMT -5
Hi John, The breeds that will be banned is the AmStaffs and also the Sarloos Wolfdog (I think that is the English name?) There are two breeds of wolf dogs, both are going to be banned, I do not remember the name of the other. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier and the Bull Terrier did not get banned. The reason why the AmStaffs got banned is that the Police says it is difficult/impossible to separate the AmStaffs from the American Pit Bull Terriers, which is already illegal in Norway. The naive politicians truly believe that they will stop Dog Fights if the Amstaffs are forbidden. This is Bull S*** because those criminal people who are into fighting are allready breaking a buch of laws, and I dare to claim they will not care whether the amstaffs are legal or not. A ban on the Amstaff will only hurt the ordinary people, people who never have done anything wrong. However, the final word in this case is not said yet. We the AmStaff owners in Norway will try this case in the Justice system. Hopefully, the ban will be found invalid. We can not just give in and allow this to happen, it is a terrible injustice to both dogs and owners of the breeds involved.
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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 14:51:36 GMT -5
Post by dakota on Jun 19, 2003 14:51:36 GMT -5
If we can do anything about it Ingunn, please let us know. What was the reaction upon the petition against banning the amstaff? They surely can't ignore it that over whole the world amstaff lovers sign a petition against this banning , can they? Last week a member did get bitten by a labrador, does it mean all labradors will be banned now? This hole law is so stupid, I still don't understand why a country like Norway( the gouvernement) isn't any wiser. Dakota Dakota
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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 16:47:43 GMT -5
Post by Cheyenne Indians AST on Jun 19, 2003 16:47:43 GMT -5
Is not up to us to finally start to educate those idiots in governments , thinking they know it all ? Why do we accept these things to happen to us , we are the people that vote for them ...i think its much better if we unite into a official organisation that looks at all possibilities regarding to european laws.
Is norway a member of the ECC ?? And yes please inform us as much as possible.
john
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Ingunn
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NORWAY
Jun 19, 2003 17:35:39 GMT -5
Post by Ingunn on Jun 19, 2003 17:35:39 GMT -5
Hi Thanks for the offer Dakota and John, I will let you all know if there is anything you can do to help. The reaction in Norway has not been as much as expected since the politicians decided this ban at night at as a private proposal. The media did not even know it the day it happened. I spoke to two AmStaff owners the day after and they had not even heard. I am terribly sorry for one of them who are training IPO with his Amstaff. He will probably stop doing that. The Amstaffs are allready frowned upon within the IPO sport. Those who are traing their dogs in Search Rescue will not be allowed to continue doing so. I just hope that we at least get to show our dogs at dog shows, and that we will be able to compeat in competitions such as agility, obedience and so on. I think this issue divides Dog-Norway as some are very pro ban and some against. The general publics opinion on this issue is blinded by the tabloid press, who really love to hate these wonderfull dogs. It is just terribly sad... I think the goverment have done way too little in terms of trying to find other solutions to this 'dog fighting'problem, and the double registering of pits as AmStaffs. Some private people have also been campaining really hard and have used personal tragedies for all it is worth. Norway is not yet a member for the European Union, but I hope we can join soon. If we do so, I believe the ban will be made unlawfull as it has in germany. I will keep you know as soon as I hear something more about this. Regards, Ingunn www.ingunn.has.it/
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NORWAY
Jun 20, 2003 6:04:06 GMT -5
Post by dakota on Jun 20, 2003 6:04:06 GMT -5
Yesterday I mailed the norwegian kennel club with question why and what they were planning to DO.
I will post the mail here when they have mailed back.
It is just stupid they will still allow agility for amstaffs but not rescue work. Well the situation(this law) just isn't right.
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NORWAY
Jun 25, 2003 17:01:07 GMT -5
Post by Carina on Jun 25, 2003 17:01:07 GMT -5
Hallo!
I´m very sad for the people from Norway. I hope the government could change their mind. Like neightbour(Sweden), is it something the Amstaff-people could do to help? Maybe they already tried?
Carina
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bones
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NORWAY
Jun 29, 2003 22:06:33 GMT -5
Post by bones on Jun 29, 2003 22:06:33 GMT -5
The dog ban in Germany is not unlawful, that's a misunderstanding. Some of the counties made formal mistakes with the laws, the crucial point however -the breed and import ban- is still actual. There is a court case about the breed ban being unlawful/ not compatible with the constitution, but this case hasn't been decided and to be honest, I don't have much hope... I can't believe so much stupidity. If you look around, in every country there is different breeds banned, how can anyone still think there is any sense in banning a breed??? I really wish you all the best, hopefully you can still fight that law:(. Greetings bones
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NORWAY
Jul 15, 2003 17:23:58 GMT -5
Post by dakota on Jul 15, 2003 17:23:58 GMT -5
Still no answer from the norwegian kennelclub.
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